I have spent a good deal of the day listening to music with my mids in various locations. What I have noticed, is that the stage seems to lose depth and and lose some "fullness" as I place the mids further forward.
My set up has type R 8" as subs/midbass in the kicks with 5" mids and tweeters also in the kicks. Effectively 3-way kick panels. The Rs are run up to 175hz where the 5" mids pick up. The Type Rs are cross firing in the kicks and I cannot place them elsewhere. Therefore, the mids must be placed below them, about 1/2" up from the carpet level. With that said, I can place the mids all the way forward almost touching the firewall or more towards the lower corners of the front doors. Width of driver placement does not change with these different locations. I thought that all the way forward to the firewall would sound the best. Certainly the drivers are more equidistance in these locations. This also forces the drivers side mid to be more on axis relative to seating position.
If I place the mids more towards the seats, so they are closer to the door opening, the drivers side mid is much more off axis. Of course the passenger side can always be placed on axis in either scenario by rotating the speaker.
What I am finding is that with the mids as far forward as possible, towards the fire wall, I am losing stage depth. The stage height in this location is great but the sound is almost too forward and thin. With the mids closer to me (towards the door opening), I get fuller sound with more depth to the stage. However, I do gain about 1" more difference in driver distance.
I would have thought that coming closer to a living room listen position, with the mids more forward and on axis would have been better, but it does not seem that way at this point. What I am finding is also counter to tactics used by many in SQ competitions in which the competitors move the seats as far back as possible or even modify the seat rails to get the listener further away, more on axis, and with more equidistant path lengths.
So why am I losing stage depth and "fullness" with the drivers placed further forward and more on axis?
Thanks!
My set up has type R 8" as subs/midbass in the kicks with 5" mids and tweeters also in the kicks. Effectively 3-way kick panels. The Rs are run up to 175hz where the 5" mids pick up. The Type Rs are cross firing in the kicks and I cannot place them elsewhere. Therefore, the mids must be placed below them, about 1/2" up from the carpet level. With that said, I can place the mids all the way forward almost touching the firewall or more towards the lower corners of the front doors. Width of driver placement does not change with these different locations. I thought that all the way forward to the firewall would sound the best. Certainly the drivers are more equidistance in these locations. This also forces the drivers side mid to be more on axis relative to seating position.
If I place the mids more towards the seats, so they are closer to the door opening, the drivers side mid is much more off axis. Of course the passenger side can always be placed on axis in either scenario by rotating the speaker.
What I am finding is that with the mids as far forward as possible, towards the fire wall, I am losing stage depth. The stage height in this location is great but the sound is almost too forward and thin. With the mids closer to me (towards the door opening), I get fuller sound with more depth to the stage. However, I do gain about 1" more difference in driver distance.
I would have thought that coming closer to a living room listen position, with the mids more forward and on axis would have been better, but it does not seem that way at this point. What I am finding is also counter to tactics used by many in SQ competitions in which the competitors move the seats as far back as possible or even modify the seat rails to get the listener further away, more on axis, and with more equidistant path lengths.
So why am I losing stage depth and "fullness" with the drivers placed further forward and more on axis?
Thanks!